ULTRA HD Blu-ray Disc Player UDP-203 (Vanity203HD)

Hi there,
There are some early previews of the new OPPO out already saying that the player can serve up PCM, AIFF, ALAC, FLAC and WAV audio up to 384kHz/32-bit, multi-channel DSD64/128 and even two-channel DSD256.
It is apparent that a digital output module (Vanity203) won't be able to output all the material bit accurate due to 192kHz limit of the SPDIF output. May I get some opinions here what would you like to have on the Vanity203, what features and user control?

Also please express your interest in the Vanity203HD here.

Many thanks.
Pavel





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/17/2016 10:40AM by AP.

I am interested.

24-bit, 192KHz output is enough for me.
Aes/ebu has the same limitation?

24-bit, 192KHz output is enough for me.

Same for me. I take one !



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/03/2016 09:34AM by Latenight.

AES/EBU supports 384KHz and 32 bits, right? Then you can output bitperfect on aes/ebu.
If that is possible, then it is what I want.


The best thing for me would be to be able to switch over the old Vanity103HD to the new UDP-203. The analog outputs looks the same on the outside as on BDP-103. Can we be so lucky the internal fittings and interface works on the new player? (not for 384KHz and 32 bits off course).



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/03/2016 01:09PM by rajapruk.

Hi guys,
AES/EBU has the same specs as SPDIF, the only difference is the voltage levels, differential signaling and some sub-channel information. Therefore the limits are the same: 192kHz/24Bits stereo. Theoretically we could have a 384kHz SPDIF transmitter in the FPGA, but there is no point of doing so.

As for the physical and electrical compatibility of UDP-203 and the VanityHD103 I am very skeptical, but it is too soon to talk about it.

Regards,
Pavel

Hallo , Pavel,
I would like to have Vanity 203 HD AES EBU

I have now the Vanity 93HD Board and want 4K, Atmos, DTS and streamig, from the new UPD-203.
The App for the OPPO 93 is not realy good.

I hope the sound quality is a little better with the new player, but I am also satisfied with the sound from my current setup.

I doubt Atmos and dts(x) will be possible to output with vanityHD, but I hope I am wrong.

We are absolutely interested to sell the Vanity203-HD to our customers in Italy! We usually couple it with TRINNOV gear.

192/24 bit-perfect is enough for the vast majority!

Thanks!
Gianluca

I am interested.

I think 24-bit, 192KHz output is enough for multichannel audio. Dual link for 384Khz stereo may be possible,
but i don't think there is any standard defined for it. Btw it seems there is enough space for your Vanity board in the UDP-203 Player ...

Regards,
BDLAB

I echo the 24/192 outputs as others have shared above. It would be nice to use a regular AES/EBU cable instead of having to make or have made the current cable going from two RCA to AES/EBU, but that doesn't seem feasible given the analog output board's layout. It would be nice to be able to buy such a cable along with the AES configuration of the Vanity board (bundled).

The new Oppos will not feature built-in app functionality. For those of us that use services like Netflix or AIV, that will mean we need to hook up a separate device through the Oppo HDMI input. The only time I've tried this was with a game console into a 105D via HDMI, and there was noticeable delay between sound/video and controller movements onscreen. My concern with the new Vanity board is that there would be significant audio delay when using HDMI in, such that lip sync would be off, etc.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/19/2016 06:04AM by zonto.

I use both hdmi-inputs on my BDP-103 with Vanity103HD, and I have no problems with lip sync, or something like that.

Hi guys,
A quick update regarding the supported sample rates. Although many previews mentioned 384kHz and 768kHz PCM and DSD128 in multichannel and DSD256 in stereo, the official specifications remain quite conservative:

Audio format support has been expanded to multi-channel DSD64/128, as well as 192kHz/24-bit PCM used in high-resolution lossless formats such AIFF, ALAC, APE, FLAC and WAV. (DSD64 is played back in native mode or converted to PCM, DSD128 converted to PCM.)

We already have the UDP-203 on our bench for testing. It is still possible that higher sample rates will be added later with software updates. Stay tuned.

Regards,
Pavel

We are tuned!
It is important that no pops/clicks/static or other bad sounds is outputed, if a format not supported by the vanityhd-card is being played by an future firmware in the Oppo.

I would love to get a Vanity 203. BTW is i2S a possible solution?

Yes, we are considering on-board I2S output.

It would be very nice if the volume-control in the oppo could affect the output of vanity203.

Point taken :-)

I disagree. Digital out should be fixed. If you want volume control, stick with the analog outs or buy an outboard DAC/preamp.

The problem can be to synchronize the volume control of 8 digital channels. In my system, the dsp/dac can control only 4 channels togheter per device (dbx4820).

Another example, you might output the eight digital channels from the Oppo into 4 MiniDSP OpenDRC for nice FIR-processing of all the channels. But how to control the volume togheter? Turning 4 knobs every time you want to change volume?

I actually know of no products taking in 8 digital channels spdif or aes-ebu, and then controling the volume of them togheter. Do you zonto?

There are many scenarios where volume-control is best suited to be done in the source.

If volume set to 100 (max) in the Oppo, then the original untouched digital signal should be sent out, off course.



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 01/19/2017 05:24PM by rajapruk.

Definitely interested! Although I'm in no hurry, the new 203 player will probably replace my 103 with Vanity HD some time in the future.

192/24 output is good enough. Don't really see another option when using spdif/aes outputs. My current DACs don't support those formats anyway.

I prefer the flexibility Oppo + Vanity HD over a multichannel pre-processor so I can use my own DACs. Depends on what you have of course, but a good stereo DAC is probably better than multichannel pre-pro with support for formats higher than 192/24.

For me volume control on the Vanity is not really necessary. Volume is best done analog in my opinion. But it would be convenient for those running multi channel I guess.

I often change my volume of my fronts 2 channels when I listen stereo. But when I watch a movie it usually at max volume. Therefore I don't change the volume of the surrounds / LFE very often. I can manage without synchronised volume over my DACs.

ringohung Wrote:
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> I would love to get a Vanity 203. BTW is i2S a
> possible solution?


Agree with ringo. i2S would be a great upgrade. Would this allow for higher resolution transfer of both PCM and DSD?
FWIW, I am a multi-channel guy and control volume with a pre-amp following 3 x Gustard X20Pro dacs.
Pavel, thanks for taking our inputs!

Thanks guys for your suggestions. Digital volume is a bit tricky. Some people find it useful, some people hate it. It does reduce dynamic range of a DA converter, but I can see it useful in multichannel systems with separate stereo DACs without volume synchronization. The point is, it won't be too much effort for us to implement it into the new board and the control signals in the OPPO are already there. The same applies to the digital filters. The new AKM DAC used in the UDP-203 has several digital filters which the user can select from the menu. We can hook the control signals to do the same thing on the VanityHD board - select the filter from the menu. How cool is that?
Regards,
Pavel

Really interested in the Vanity 203 HD. Any idea as to when it will be available?

IMO 192/24 spdif would be sufficient and the digital filter integration idea sounds like a really good one.

Thx,

BB

Very cool!
Wonderful news for me
Any other general differences / improvements in 203 vs old 103 soundwise? Jitter, etc?

+1 interested.

I have a lot of money invested in the Vanity: The Trinnov + Vanity AES + custom cable + HDMI Video Delay Box + Oppo.

I have lip sync issues, but mostly due to the Trinnov downstream.
Anyway, there is the speaker distance delay. With 16ms a frame in 60fps, if you are 16 feet back you are already an entire pic/frame behind.
Normally the A/V source like a PrePro I am guessing reclocks both the A/V even taking into account distance delays. What would be best is if you reclock the video with the audio. Um... this is a Blu Ray player afterall...

My total delay, as per the attached pic is 40ms. Trinnov provides it's delay in ms & frame rates. I am 2+ frames delayed with just the Trinnov + distance.

Incidentally, if you do implement a clock out, which I hope you do so I can sync 3 stereo DAC's, it will not be correct off the assembly line unless you reclock with the video.

Moreover, I googled and spoke with many professionals. This Roland device (vc-1-dl) is the only HDMI video delay device in existence. It does not mention 4k support. I happen to not need 4k at this time. If you do not reclock the video there will be no way in this space time continuum to fix 4K with the Vanity downstream. Not saying the Vanity delay is a big deal by itself. Just saying if one wants to be correct.

I just ordered the Roland device. I plan on installing it next week. The Roland delays are by frame. So yes I have to manually "dial" in the delay when switching between 60fps vs 24.

Can the Vanity203HD has a clock signal input?

Hi JunTIAN,
Sorry, it cannot (or it can but with no purpose). The VanityHD has to lock its clock system to the OPPO in order to output bit accurate data without sample rate conversion. It might be possible to output the master or sampling clock so you can clock lock a downstream device.

Regards,
Pavel

Thanks.
I want to know when Vanity203 can be on sale? i'm interested in it, i had decided to buy Vanity103 dop version last year, but i heard the oppp 203 would be released on January,so i decided to wait for the vannity203.

Would it be possible to output more than 8 channels, if i2s output is used?
Would be nice to be able to get out all channels from Dolby Atmos and DTS(x).